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179.49.41.127: Added a new category (Communications).

2025-05-28T17:45:09Z

Added a new category (Communications).

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	Abuguidas are similar to alphabets in that they have individual characters for consonants and vowels, however abuguidas emphasize consonants and use vowels as additional marks. This is helpful as it makes readers read syllable by syllable even in languages like English with far more syllables than a person could remember.		Abuguidas are similar to alphabets in that they have individual characters for consonants and vowels, however abuguidas emphasize consonants and use vowels as additional marks. This is helpful as it makes readers read syllable by syllable even in languages like English with far more syllables than a person could remember.
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Darthjaffacake: Added different sections for many different types of writing and rewrote some explanations

2025-05-20T22:35:32Z

Added different sections for many different types of writing and rewrote some explanations

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	A way of denoting meaning and communicating via shapes or figures, writing is a technology which allows humans to communicate across vast distances, record information for extremely long periods of time and spread information across wide populations extremely quickly. Writing comes in very many forms, each being unique and differently suited to the language and cultures which use it.		A way of denoting meaning and communicating via shapes or figures, writing is a technology which allows humans to communicate across vast distances, record information for extremely long periods of time and spread information across wide populations extremely quickly. Writing comes in very many forms, each being unique and differently suited to the language and cultures which use it.

			Writing will typically have its own rules about how it translates from spoken to written. Such as punctuation marks to indicate the things like: lists, names, possessions, specific nouns, verbs, and other forms of expressive information, and emotions. Typically, things like sentence and word order and structure are going to be the same in both the written, and spoken language. However how it is read can vary, from different alphabets, sounds, other forms of structure for the sentences, varied tenses, possessives, and many other elements that make up written language. Translation is the most difficult part of the process of writing. Without any information on the writing system, how to read it, which way to read it (written languages can be read in any way so long as it remains consistent as a rule.), and how it’s meaning changes.

			== Non-Phonetic Writing ==

			=== Proto-Writing ===
			Used before and after more regularized writing was invented, proto-writing is a way of conveying information physically by many different means. This can come in the form of pictures or drawings of events to communicate ideas without the use of words or grammar, it can also be constructed out of any material so long as there is some way of interpreting the writing. An example of this flexibility would be the Quipu which is a set of attached ropes where the individual knots denote information about what is being recorded.

	=== Pictographic ===		=== Pictographic ===
	Characterized as a drawing or ~~iconographic figure~~, ~~typically most recognized~~ in ~~today~~ as ~~Hieroglyphics~~, ~~an extinct~~ writing system~~. Some~~ like Chinese ~~continued~~, and ~~have well over 50~~,~~000 characters~~, ~~leading to an intensely large need~~ for ~~memory competency~~.		Characterized as a drawing or visual representation of real world objects and ideas, this type of writing is very useful for situations where basic information needs to be conveyed without the barrier of literacy or language comprehension. These are often used in infrastructure or left behind on signs to convey different types of danger, directions or markings for where construction must occur. This system can be very flexible as it is also used to convey emotions and basic objects via emoticons or emoji.

			=== Logographic ===
			Logographic writing is similar to pictographic systems in that the writing represents meaning directly, however logographic systems do not always have the characters and symbols visually resemble or look like the meaning they represent. This type of writing often starts as pictographic systems that need to communicate more complex meaning so gain regularity in meaning and lose resemblence with objects. Logographic systems are very well suited in areas where language varies between people as writing only represents meaning rather than very varying sound. An example of a system like this may be Traditional Chinese which used across a linguistically diverse area with some changes in usage but basic comprehensibility almost everywhere. Another benefit to using logographs is that some languages have many homophones, so very different meanings would have the same spelling creating ambiguity: an example of this in English would be "sun" and "son" however in other languages, homophones are much more common and much harder to understand even with context.

			== Phonetic ==

			=== Alphabetic ===
			In this system each character makes a designated sound, or sounds which when sounded out in order becomes the spoken form of the language.

			=== Abjads ===
			Words in abjads are represented by their consonantal roots, this means that only consonants are written. This creates ambiguity in languages like English where vowels are the distinguishing factor between words of different meaning, "bt" could represent bat, bit, beat, bot, bet, but or boot. However this is ideal for many languages like Arabic and Hebrew as they use vowels for grammar and gender agreement which can be redundant.

	=== ~~Phonetic~~ ===		=== Syllabic ===
	~~In this system each character makes a designated set sound, or set~~ of ~~sounds which when sounded out~~ in ~~order becomes the spoken form of the~~ language. ~~Each character also may have special marks to indicate pronunciation differences or other features of the sound. The first phonetic~~ language ~~was~~ the ~~Phoenician language, which would be popularized in Greece. Eventually causing a domino effect into Latin script, which~~ as ~~of today~~ is ~~the most popular form of writing. Dominating the most languages with its writing system being popularized~~.		Syllabaries are ways of writing where every individual syllable used in a language has a marking. This is easy and useful when a language has very few syllables and homophones like the Cherokee Script as writing is kept better packed together for reading phonetically and there is little ambiguity in meaning.

	Writing will also typically have its own rules about how it translates from spoken to written. Such as punctuation marks to indicate the things like: lists, names, possessions, specific nouns, verbs, and other forms of expressive information, and emotions. Typically, things like sentence and word order and structure are ~~going~~ to ~~be the same~~ in ~~both the written,~~ and ~~spoken language. However how it is read can vary, from different alphabets, sounds, other forms of structure for the sentences, varied tenses, possessives~~, and ~~many other elements that make up written language~~. ~~Translation~~ is ~~the most difficult part of the process of writing. Without any information on the writing system, how to read~~ it~~, which way to~~ read ~~it (written~~ languages ~~can be read in any way so long as it remains consistent as~~ a ~~rule.), and how it’s meaning changes~~.		=== Abugidas or Alphasyllabaries ===
			Abuguidas are similar to alphabets in that they have individual characters for consonants and vowels, however abuguidas emphasize consonants and use vowels as additional marks. This is helpful as it makes readers read syllable by syllable even in languages like English with far more syllables than a person could remember.
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Darthjaffacake: Fixed some definitions and uses of writing

2025-05-20T19:54:22Z

Fixed some definitions and uses of writing

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	~~Writing~~, a ~~form~~ of ~~communication~~ and ~~thinking that has changed civilizations as we know them~~. In the ~~past there have been 2 types of writing: Pictographic,~~ and ~~Phonetic. Each having its own defining characteristic that makes~~ it ~~either more viable or less so~~.		A way of denoting meaning and communicating via shapes or figures, writing is a technology which allows humans to communicate across vast distances, record information for extremely long periods of time and spread information across wide populations extremely quickly. Writing comes in very many forms, each being unique and differently suited to the language and cultures which use it.

	Pictographic ~~writing being characterized~~ as a drawing or iconographic figure, typically most recognized in today as Hieroglyphics, an extinct writing system. Some like Chinese continued, and have well over 50,000 characters, leading to an intensely large need for memory competency.		=== Pictographic ===
			Characterized as a drawing or iconographic figure, typically most recognized in today as Hieroglyphics, an extinct writing system. Some like Chinese continued, and have well over 50,000 characters, leading to an intensely large need for memory competency.

	Phonetic ~~writing unlike pictographic, has a limited number of characters.~~ In this system each character makes a designated set sound, or set of sounds. Each character also may have special marks to indicate pronunciation differences or other features of the sound. The first phonetic language was the Phoenician language, which would be popularized in Greece. Eventually causing a domino effect into Latin script, which as of today is the most popular form of writing. Dominating the most languages with its writing system being popularized.		=== Phonetic ===
			In this system each character makes a designated set sound, or set of sounds which when sounded out in order becomes the spoken form of the language. Each character also may have special marks to indicate pronunciation differences or other features of the sound. The first phonetic language was the Phoenician language, which would be popularized in Greece. Eventually causing a domino effect into Latin script, which as of today is the most popular form of writing. Dominating the most languages with its writing system being popularized.

	Writing will also typically have its own rules about how it translates from spoken to written. Such as punctuation marks to indicate the things like: lists, names, possessions, specific nouns, verbs, and other forms of expressive information, and emotions. Typically, things like sentence and word order and structure are going to be the same in both the written, and spoken language. However how it is read can vary, from different alphabets, sounds, other forms of structure for the sentences, varied tenses, possessives, and many other elements that make up written language. Translation is the most difficult part of the process of writing. Without any information on the writing system, how to read it, which way to read it (written languages can be read in any way so long as it remains consistent as a rule.), and how it’s meaning changes.		Writing will also typically have its own rules about how it translates from spoken to written. Such as punctuation marks to indicate the things like: lists, names, possessions, specific nouns, verbs, and other forms of expressive information, and emotions. Typically, things like sentence and word order and structure are going to be the same in both the written, and spoken language. However how it is read can vary, from different alphabets, sounds, other forms of structure for the sentences, varied tenses, possessives, and many other elements that make up written language. Translation is the most difficult part of the process of writing. Without any information on the writing system, how to read it, which way to read it (written languages can be read in any way so long as it remains consistent as a rule.), and how it’s meaning changes.
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Questio: I have added information, and basic history on the phonetic, and pictographic scripts, and described how languages are defined, how the can be characterized without examples as of now, and begun describing the difficulties of translation.

2025-05-10T22:13:00Z

I have added information, and basic history on the phonetic, and pictographic scripts, and described how languages are defined, how the can be characterized without examples as of now, and begun describing the difficulties of translation.

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	~~you are likely to start with pictographs of some sort~~, a ~~very primitive~~ form of ~~written language~~ that ~~eventually gets more and more refined over time resulting in a written language~~. ~~To begin with often you should make pictographs~~ of ~~commonly used and seen objects~~, ~~creatures, terrain etc~~ and ~~draw them, overtime just as the hieroglyphics of the Egyptians turns into~~ more ~~refined letters do to a need of expediency in every day life a curved stroke of a character here~~ or ~~a shorter brush there eventually resulting in letters/characters rather than full on pictographs/hieroglyphics~~		Writing, a form of communication and thinking that has changed civilizations as we know them. In the past there have been 2 types of writing: Pictographic, and Phonetic. Each having its own defining characteristic that makes it either more viable or less so.

	~~for spoken language often onomatopoeia~~ or ~~the mimicry of natural sounds made~~ in ~~nature to denote what you were trying to get across was a start from my understanding along with hand movements~~ and ~~charades eventually we would move from that~~ to ~~coagulating such noises into more defined phrases or terms~~		Pictographic writing being characterized as a drawing or iconographic figure, typically most recognized in today as Hieroglyphics, an extinct writing system. Some like Chinese continued, and have well over 50,000 characters, leading to an intensely large need for memory competency.

	~~i would look up conlangs and the subject~~ of ~~their origins and how~~ to ~~make one yourself~~ as ~~its effectively~~ the ~~same thing in alot~~ of ~~ways~~		Phonetic writing unlike pictographic, has a limited number of characters. In this system each character makes a designated set sound, or set of sounds. Each character also may have special marks to indicate pronunciation differences or other features of the sound. The first phonetic language was the Phoenician language, which would be popularized in Greece. Eventually causing a domino effect into Latin script, which as of today is the most popular form of writing. Dominating the most languages with its writing system being popularized.

	~~along with phonetics~~		Writing will also typically have its own rules about how it translates from spoken to written. Such as punctuation marks to indicate the things like: lists, names, possessions, specific nouns, verbs, and other forms of expressive information, and emotions. Typically, things like sentence and word order and structure are going to be the same in both the written, and spoken language. However how it is read can vary, from different alphabets, sounds, other forms of structure for the sentences, varied tenses, possessives, and many other elements that make up written language. Translation is the most difficult part of the process of writing. Without any information on the writing system, how to read it, which way to read it (written languages can be read in any way so long as it remains consistent as a rule.), and how it’s meaning changes.

	~~since i am not an expert on~~ the ~~subject though i will leave this~~ to ~~someone more inclined~~ and ~~knowledgeable~~

	~~my online name~~ is ~~Forteko you~~ can ~~contact me~~ on ~~my discord if need~~ be ~~but this was my contribution~~ and ~~guidance to head start this page~~
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179.49.41.127 at 21:04, 9 May 2025

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	my online name is Forteko you can contact me on my discord if need be but this was my contribution and guidance to head start this page		my online name is Forteko you can contact me on my discord if need be but this was my contribution and guidance to head start this page
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Forteko at 03:01, 9 May 2025

2025-05-09T03:01:31Z

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	i would look up conlangs and the subject of their origins and how to make one yourself as its effectively the same thing in alot of ways		i would look up conlangs and the subject of their origins and how to make one yourself as its effectively the same thing in alot of ways

			along with phonetics

	since i am not an expert on the subject though i will leave this to someone more inclined and knowledgeable		since i am not an expert on the subject though i will leave this to someone more inclined and knowledgeable

	my online name is Forteko you can contact me on my discord if need be but this was my contribution and guidance to head start this page		my online name is Forteko you can contact me on my discord if need be but this was my contribution and guidance to head start this page

24.118.43.114: further...

2025-05-09T02:57:59Z

further...

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	you are likely to start with pictographs of some sort, a very primitive form of written language that eventually gets more and more refined over time resulting in a written language. To begin with often you should make pictographs of commonly used and seen objects, creatures, terrain etc and draw them, overtime just as the hieroglyphics of the Egyptians turns into more refined letters do to a need of expediency in every day life a curved stroke of a character here or a shorter brush there eventually resulting in letters/characters rather than full on pictographs/hieroglyphics		you are likely to start with pictographs of some sort, a very primitive form of written language that eventually gets more and more refined over time resulting in a written language. To begin with often you should make pictographs of commonly used and seen objects, creatures, terrain etc and draw them, overtime just as the hieroglyphics of the Egyptians turns into more refined letters do to a need of expediency in every day life a curved stroke of a character here or a shorter brush there eventually resulting in letters/characters rather than full on pictographs/hieroglyphics

			for spoken language often onomatopoeia or the mimicry of natural sounds made in nature to denote what you were trying to get across was a start from my understanding along with hand movements and charades eventually we would move from that to coagulating such noises into more defined phrases or terms

			i would look up conlangs and the subject of their origins and how to make one yourself as its effectively the same thing in alot of ways

	since i am not an expert on the subject though i will leave this to someone more inclined and knowledgeable		since i am not an expert on the subject though i will leave this to someone more inclined and knowledgeable

	my online name is Forteko you can contact me on my discord if need be but this was my contribution and guidance to head start this page		my online name is Forteko you can contact me on my discord if need be but this was my contribution and guidance to head start this page

24.118.43.114: set direction and pace for the page

2025-05-09T02:52:10Z

set direction and pace for the page

New page

you are likely to start with pictographs of some sort, a very primitive form of written language that eventually gets more and more refined over time resulting in a written language. To begin with often you should make pictographs of commonly used and seen objects, creatures, terrain etc and draw them, overtime just as the hieroglyphics of the Egyptians turns into more refined letters do to a need of expediency in every day life a curved stroke of a character here or a shorter brush there eventually resulting in letters/characters rather than full on pictographs/hieroglyphics

since i am not an expert on the subject though i will leave this to someone more inclined and knowledgeable

my online name is Forteko you can contact me on my discord if need be but this was my contribution and guidance to head start this page